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  1. justpassingthru

    justpassingthru No Rest For The Wicked Banned!

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    Is that the production cost or the development cost ???

    I would pay 200 for a good toilet seat, the last one I had cracked and pinched my ass pretty hard a couple times lol ...
     
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  2. RandyKnight

    RandyKnight Have Gun, Will Travel

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    Production....but I know they claim a lot of hocus pokus radar stuff.....
     
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  3. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    1) Did you know that all around the country, the US Government has warehouses full of office furniture, perfectly good furniture that mostly is left over when agencies move around?
    Guess who the biggest buyer of new office furniture is? The US Government.
    Why can't they reuse the furniture in their warehouses? Sure, it probably has a few nicks and dents, but I'm sure the job could be done just as well with a used desk as a new one.
    2)Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties. Can you think of a good reason why these properties shouldn't be leased or sold? I mean, setting aside for the moment the $25 Billion spent every year just to maintain them, how much revenue could be put on the debt when these buildings were sold or leased?
    3) Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.​

    People love to say you can't cut the budget, that people won't stand for having "their program" cut. But, what about being a bit more critical of how much it's costing to run those programs? And if indeed 22% of Federal programs have no positive impact on the population they serve, why do we keep funding them?
     
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    Deleted User kekw Porn Star Banned!

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    FYI there are websites where you can buy surplus government stuff. Whatever doesn't get bought gets thrown away, because if they didn't and someone took something home it'd be called stealing or corruption. Tons of good stuff gets thrown away, but it's better to do that than look corrupt and have every right wing blog blow up. Also, every remodel requires new everything and to surplus/toss everything old. It's the law. Same thing happens if offices close or move.

    In some cases, properties can't be sold. For example, there are a few old military bases out there that are littered with hazardous material. There are scores of reasons to hold on to property - this is just one simpletons don't really think about. Also, the government owns a lot of shitty land, sometimes because nobody wants it since the taxes would be more than anything you could do on the land would bring in.

    I'd like to see a source for that. I'm wondering what the definition of "positive" was. I mean, does the IRS have a positive impact on people?
     
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  5. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    But, why Shooter has to ask, do we need a law that requires new furniture every time? A lot of that furniture is perfectly good and reusable, and would be put back to use before it gets sold as surplus. Shooter knows all about surplus web sites; an old style ammo can or rocket box makes a watertight, air tight storage box and you can buy them for $10. The government pays $35 for the ammo cans and $85 for the rocket boxes new.
    As to the property issue, sure there is unusable property out there that the government has no choice but to hold. But what about others?
    *not_secure_link*www.npr.org/2014/0...mpty-buildings-are-costing-taxpayers-billions

    The source for the 22% of ineffective government programs is here.
    *not_secure_link*georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/omb/expectmore/rating/notperform.html

    The irony is, the program isn't maintained anymore. It was cut by the Obama administration to save money.

    Really.
     
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  6. tonybs

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    I have objections to tax rates that high. When the tax rate gets above 50%, you're now a junior partner in your own life. At that point its time for a revolution.
     
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    Deleted User kekw Porn Star Banned!

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    Because it subsidizes business. It amazes me that the crowd that loves to yell about how private businesses are so great are so woefully ignorant about how many depend on the government.

    Regarding pricing, there's some sort of point system. It's like applying for a college.


    I'll read the links later.
     
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      Subsidize business? Yes.
      And subsidize citizens.
      The question is, how many should depend on government for their existence?
      And at what cost to society?
      $19 TRILLION worth?
       
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  8. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    When the top tax rate fluctuated between 70% and 91% the national debt declined as a percentage of gross domestic product. Keep in mind this was the top tax rate. The vast majority of Americans paid much less than that.
     
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      ............. and most kids want a free run at the candy store too. Once you explain that there is no free lunch, that changes.
       
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  9. tonybs

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    So fucking what. You're still robbing the taxpayers who do pay that much. So you think its OK for the government to make themselves the senior partner in your life?

    Typical socialist, you're very free with other people's money.
     
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  10. anon_de_plume

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    Vote Donald John Trump, SR!
     
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  11. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    During the administration of President Eisenhower the top tax rate was 91%.

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/02inpetr.pdf

    Eisenhower is not considered to be a socialist, although the bizarre John Birch Society thought he was a member of the Communist conspiracy.

    For most Americans those were good years.

    The John Birch Society hated Eisenhower because he refused to repeal the reforms of the New Deal. This is what he had to say about that: "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
     
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  12. clarise

    clarise Precious princess Banned!

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    Tax policies of the kind that collectivists like DL and Bernie Sanders are proposing always lead to capital flight.

    The rich are always the first to go, when pressed. First they leave states, then they leave nations. They take the jobs with them.

    It's already happening. Our corporate and capital gains rates are already uncompetitive globally, but the socialists want to raise them even higher. The myopia is amazing.

    Obama has doubled the national debt, in just eight years. Sanders proposes to double it again. He wants the "rich" to pay. It is madness. But, it's all coming to an end. Neither Trump nor Clinton will solve it.
     
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  13. shootersa

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    Eisenhower was paying off the debt from WWII.
    He was not concerned with Social Security or the Unemployment system. Both of which, by the way, are funded by payroll taxes and were designed to exist outside the normal government budget process. Eisenhower's 91% tax had no impact on either program.
    But you already knew that.

    President Reagan said it best, in his inaugural address;
    “Our Government,” he emphasizes, “has no power except that granted it by the people. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed.”The old Constitution, with its restraints and emphasis on limited government, allows individual freedom to work for the common good. “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
    “From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?”​

    A government that believes a 90%, or for that matter, a 50% tax rate on any group can be justified has forgotten it's purpose for existing. It has concluded that the people it is supposed to serve in fact exist to serve government.

    And Shooter believes this explains with clarity why Americans are so against a Clinton or a Sanders, and so willing to follow a Trump.
     
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    Deleted User kekw Porn Star Banned!

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    Yeah....Kansas is doing super well with this sort of thought experiment.
     
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  15. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    Here's a fair question for our Fed armchairmen. Has a Kansas or Louisiana style "Cut taxes and grow rich" economic plan ever worked?

    Everybody understands why rich people want to pay less taxes and will spend great amounts of money on campaign contributions in order to elect officials who will grant their desires, but does lower taxes for the rich actually improve the conditions of people in the lower segments of the economy? Do we have any examples of when working class people did better when their boss got a tax break?
     
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  16. clarise

    clarise Precious princess Banned!

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    Maryland's remark on Kansas seemed beneath the dignity of a response, yet here you are humoring him.
     
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    Deleted User kekw Porn Star Banned!

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    You didn't answer his question. You avoided it.
     
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  18. tonybs

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    Just to be clear, you think this scenario is fair.

    I go to work on the last day of the work year. I work for 5 hours and 26 minutes before I've finished paying taxes to the federal government. I then have to work for 5 min before I've paid medicare. I have to work another 45 minutes before I've paid state tax. I then get to work for 1 hour and 44 minutes I actually get paid for.

    I worked as a slave for 6 hours and 16 minutes before I got anywhere, and you say that's fair?

    I'm using the numbers from the tax tables for 1981 (adjusted for inflation) to calculate those numbers, they're real.

    I don't, and in those circumstances, I'd just stay home. You just demotivated me.
     
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  19. Bron Zeage

    Bron Zeage I am a river to my people

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    As a citizen of a state which went from budget surplus to $800 million deficit in 8 years, under the leadership of a Grover Norquist minion, I think it's a fair question. Bobby Jindal wanted our state to be the Louisiana miracle, which would be the foundation of his presidential campaign, but instead, we may have to unplug every other street light, just to make ends meet.

    Since you seem to have your hand on the pulse of these kind of economic wet dreams, I'll ask you again. Has it ever worked?
     
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  20. PM1

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    Some of the ignorance here is astounding...and troubling. Government exists to provide very few actual services- A post office, a common currency, regulate interstate trade, strike treaties with foreign powers, and maintain a Navy. That's just about it. Anyone advocating that even a third of their personal life should go to the government should be committed to an asylum. Anyone advocating 90% should be shot without explanation. Here's a few really good insights for the generally ignorant.

    -We do not have a revenue problem. We have an expenditure problem. Any discussion on government roles must start with this premise or it is akin to talking to a stump.
    -We also have a legislative problem. We need to stop writing laws to suit the exceptions. Laws are for everyone equally. If you are thinking "but what about...?" You are not only part of the problem, but the actual problem itself.
    -The rich pay more tax than the bottom 90% combined. At what point do you think it's enough?
    -No rich person is entitled to any special tax breaks. Every tax break is equally available to every American. Those tax breaks have been there forever. That 90% tax rate? Never amounted to about anything more than 17 or 18% real tax paid because of those tax breaks-about the same as now I suspect.
    -Business does not pay tax. Business COLLECTS tax. Any argument to the contrary is a fundamental misunderstanding of how economics and business works.
    -The difference between corporate tax breaks (corp welfare to progressives) and people welfare is the direction of the money. Business gets a tax break-no money goes in. People get welfare-money just goes out.
    -The solution to welfare is twofold. First is education-if you gave a welfare queen 100 million, in 10 years she'd be back on welfare. Those people need to be taught how to get off the system and then kicked off. The second is generational. If your mother was on welfare, you are not eligible-ever. The system provided you with an upbringing. Now it's up to you. Now... read my second point again and shut up (you know who you are)
    - The Dept of Defense needs renaming back to Dept of War. That is their area of expertise, not defense. Reduce the air force by 90% and relegate their fighters to the Army. The remainder is airlift. No need for heavy bombers anymore or the land based nukes. We have subs for that. Remove all troops from outside the US and put them on the borders. That should reduce the Navy by about 50% and the Army about the same. The Marine Corps stays the same. It is the most cost effective of all the services, is fully independent, and is only about 3 times the size of the Coast Guard anyway. Which makes it about 1/4 of the next largest military branch. That ought to reduce defense spending by more than 50% and solve our porous border problem.
    No foreign aid except in times of natural disaster-fuck up your economy? Your problem. Everyone one of your neighbors wants to kill you? Move. Or kill them first-your choice. We'll be eating popcorn, watching it on CNN. Selling weapons to both sides. We need not give money to peddle influence, because we don't need to have influence. Want to be friends, sell us good shit to use. Want to be enemies? Your next option is extinction. If we deploy troops, it is no less than total war and complete annihilation.

    -Big business wants to moves jobs offshore?-their prerogative. The item you make is now imported to the US at the same price, the difference is now tariff. All workers are retrained, relocated, and supported by the company until they are re-employed at the same status as when you employed them. Your US assets are forfeit until that societal debt is paid. Exemption for those employees not retraining and relocating-you just made your own bed-lie in it.

    -Social Security is a fucking myth and should be abolished. If you are born after tomorrow, there is none for you. All businesses with employees are required to provide a 401K plan and match no less than the 5% they no longer have to put into SS. Every employee has a minimum 5% contribution. Zero sum-the government is out of the retirement business and the stock market booms. That capital builds new factories.

    Abolition of speculative markets in raw materials. Go sell 401K plans.

    Get rid of any government department that doesn't directly benefit the people. I'm sure there are plenty.

    The progressive tax is unconstitutional and should be abolished ...10% across the board, for everything and everyone. No write offs except college and charitable contributions.

    End the war on drugs. Set up rehabs. Ask for help-you get help. Don't ask for help? You probably get dead. The problem is self policing. We are powerless to control what you put in your body, we are also not responsible for the consequences of when you do.
     
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      Some of what you say is intriguing. Do you want to run on my ticket for President, as my Vice President?
       
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